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New Zealand Day 2

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

The seminars were open with 30 minutes of plenary prayer session and then we divided into two different sessions. Deacon Nathaniel Moore and Anthony Brown conducted a seminar on family and youth. Pastor McGensy and Rev. Thomas Hite lead a seminar on evangelism. After the seminar we had lunch and fellowshipped with the conference attendees. Then we went sightseeing.
The final mission assignment worship started at 7:30PM. It started with a special time of praise and prayer, Rev. Thomas Hite even joined in with the praise team. Pastor McGensy shared his personal testimony, Anthony Brown read devotional scriptures and Deacon Nathaniel Moore played his trumpet and was the keynote speaker for the evening. He brought a power word from the Lord that touched the hearts of many people. Pastor McGensy extended an altar call and many came forward for salvation and rededication and prayer. After the service we had great fellowship and refreshments. We have been extended an invitation to return.
This concludes our missionary assignment in New Zealand. To God Be The Glory!!!

2 comments (Add your own)

1. Bailey wrote:
Kevin asked “what must a pastor do raesonably well to be a good pastor?”A while back, I started to notice that some of what I thought was “truth”from the Word of God was actually “traditions of men” “hand-me-down religion,”that makes the Word of God of non effect. ( Mark 7:6-13 ) I started to notice that what I was taught about **today’s**“Pastors/Leaders,” wasn’t lining up with what was found in scripture. For starters When searching for what a “Pastor/Leader” does **Today** in the Bible,I had a very rude awakening. I found NO Pastors in Pulpits Preaching to People in Pews. When folks came together, every one has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. 1 Cor 14:26. Every one can and is expected to participate. Today we have pew potatoes.NO “disciple of Christ” “calling” another brethren Pastor, or “My” Pastor.NO “disciple of Christ” “calling” them self Pastor or Leader. ”ALL” disciples called themselves “Servants of Christ.” Hmmm?NO “disciple of Christ” having the “Title”or “Position” “Pastor/Leader.” Today that “Title” is written on Diploma's on walls, business cards, office doors, Sunday morning bulletin, street signs, and more. And everyone knows who the “Pastor/Leader” is. Why? Jesus, humbled Himself, made Himself of NO reputation, . took on the form of a “Servant.” Could that “Title” be an “Idol?”NO “disciple of Christ” “Exercising Authority” over another believer. I was taught; You submit to me, NOW, your “God Ordained Authority,” And, one day, when you’re a Pastor, people will submit to you. . Power. Profit, and Prestige, is highly esteemed among men. Guilty. Oy Vey!NO Pastors, separating themselves from the body, as “Clergy-class.”NO Pastors counseling anyone.NO Pastors marrying anyone.NO Pastors burying anyone.NO Pastors visiting the sick.NO Pastors wearing special clothes.NO Pastors going from one congregation to another. What’s up with that? Elders, plural, matured within the group, when, if, appointed, they were known. Pastor, Paid, Professional, is hired, NOT known. And the list goes on You could probably think of a few yourself.IMO Not of much of what we see **Today,** with “Pastors/leaders,”has any reference in scripture.Are there any congregations “Led” by a “Pastor” in the Bible?Seems it’s mostly “hand-me-down religion.”Seems “The Traditions of Men” are “mighty” in power to distract and deceive.Jesus warned us about making “the word of God”of non effect through our traditions; Yes?Mark 7:13 KJV Making the word of God of “none effect” through your tradition Mark 7:13 ASV Making “void” the word of God by your tradition Mark 7:13 NIV Thus you “nullify” the word of God by your tradition “We do not just seek what is, but rather what should be.”Of course, these thoughts, NOT new to me, got a lot of believers thrown in prison.Some paid with their life.History declares “Christiandumb” is often a bloody sport. Especially When you challenge the “Traditions and Doctrines of men” in power.Especially When those with “Titles” and “Position” see their “Power, Profit, and Prestige,being questioned and diminished by those who “want to be “Led” by the Spirit,by those who are challenged **to follow Jesus.**Be blessed in your search for Truth Jesus.

June 8, 2012 @ 6:26 AM

2. Ahmet wrote:
Blogs and comments like this in blogs, mgiezanas, and books, etc put seminaries in a poor light because the individuals did not truly understand the reason for their seminary education. I have a seminary degree as well as an MBA. My MBA did not teach me the issues of hiring or firing, it prepared me for the business world - not everything do you get in school - you are prepared. Some things are learned. Now, a human resources degree will teach some of those things, but is that the true focus of a seminary degree?Plus, what classes DID you take? etc. Where did you use you specific extra elective hours - ie. what classes did you choose? Seminary is a well - a well to draw from for the rest of your life - NOT to teach you everything that you may run into.In regards to the statements listed:a7 Believe it or not, I never had a class on how to do a wedding or funeral. - I'm sorry for your loss. I took a supervised ministry class that taught me these things as well as a funeral for a Christian and one for a non Christian, Lord's Supper, baptism, graveside services, different styles of weddings, etc. We even created a book to use a reference for ministry (which has come in handy)a7 We never looked at how to manage a budget, lead a board meeting, recruit volunteers, raise money, hire and fire staff, or design church facilities. - some of these items I learned through the class Educational Administration. Some churches utilize others in the congregation (our constituents) to do these things. Why do you think you have to doand learn it all? Again, what classes DID you take - what was your degree? NOT all seminaries are equal. Sorry for your supposedly sucky seminary experience. We are prepped as ministers to the people, not to do everything for the people.a7 I only took one class on preaching. In my opinion, we should have been required to take at least three if we were hoping to be a senior pastor. - We took a year's worth plus I spent some of my electives on preaching because I knew that being a pastor was part of God's design for me. I took the onus upon myself to utilize the resources available at the seminary - not just the classes to get by. I was proactive in my seminary education.a7 We didn’t study any thoughts on kids’ ministry, student ministry, missions, or small groups. - I had this in my educational adminstration class. Albeit an introduction, but one nonetheless. AND, I learned the resources available to find the information I needed. I learned to work with others, how to find resources, and ulitize those resources. C'mon - you have to admit that change is so fast today that once a person finished their school experience, new insights would have been discovered. Understanding how to mine those insights was important to know what resources are available.a7 Although my time in seminary predated the need, I think all schools today should teach pastors how to leverage technology in the church. - I took a computers in education class. YET, utilizing volunteers and their creativity is critical for this. Why do we feel the need for seminaries to teach us everything about church life. Yes technology is cool - AND importantly useful for ministry today. But after the fact of your education - are you not utilizing it now? Don't place your previous experience upon present day circumstances. Has your school updated? Some have - some haven't. PLUS - again - what about garnering the insight from your volunteers? Think of how excited they would be to bring their technology passion to the table of ministry.It is like asking a basketball player to know how to manage the team, run the books, and organize the ticket sales as well as the salaries, etc. The basketball player was hired to play a specific position and practiced and developed those skills for THAT position. The seminary graduate is a member of a team of God given individuals of whom the pastor is the spiritual leader and shepherd. The student obtains the insight and education as to serve as a springboard in the most important arena - the God-centered arena. For without that God-centered focus, all the rest is dung. Yes, there are gaps - every educational degree has gaps. YET, there are resources available to help fill in the gaps (Willow Creek's Leadership Summit for example). The focus for the pastor is to develop the spiritual relationship with Christ and garner the tools to help in that relationship.Stop whining about what you DIDN'T get and celebrate what you DID receive - an education from Godly men and women who serve a community of believers who gave their blood, sweat, tears, and hard earned money to provide you the education that you received. What are you making of your education? PLUS - your education should not have stopped at seminary. As leaders and pastors, we are lifelong learners. As spiritual leaders, we learned and delved into the riches of God's Word. We can read Peter Drucker's material later. Seminary is to learn the deep things of God and PREPARE for ministry. Preparation does not necessarily mean that you have everything you need. It is to teach you how to fish - not give it to you.I apologize for the strong tone in this post. It is not my intent to be rude or crass - just direct. I am very passionate about the seminary experience. Feel free to email me with your thoughts if you wish.

June 30, 2012 @ 12:19 AM

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